Messages in ICG #boardofdirectors (Slack) <2019-12-08 2019-12-10>
Jeanine
Swick 9:08
AM
Dec
reporting
Mera Rose 11:53 AM
Motion 11-9-2019-1 has passed. The motion carries 12 yes, 3 no, 3
abstained.
Aurora
Celeste 12:27
PM
I refuse the offered position of PR director offered minutes ago by
someone who only five hours earlier accused me of making the ICG look bad in a
public forum and also took a private email requesting no personal contact
outside the ICG and used it as a public attack. I cannot and will
not operate any kind of PR campaign under those conditions or with the kind of
person who thinks that is the proper way to conduct ICG business.
[12 replies Last reply 2019-12-11 12:23
PM]
Mera Rose 2 years ago
I’m sorry you won’t accept it. I think you’ve done a great job with
the Facebook page and that’s why I recommended you for the position. That
said, as I was informed in conversations this morning, that ensuring that facts
are made known to the BoD regarding the allegation is
part of my responsibility, so that they are aware of the what happened in the
pr channel (followed by personal email which was also sent to the corresponding
secretary) and can consider that. I do now, after that conversation,
see the concerns pointed out regarding your public Facebook comments also, as
the BoD is offering you a position as social media
director, without knowing that you were the one who had made those public
comments. I apologize for the offense that you’ve taken to my
sharing that information with the BoD.
Also sent to the channel
Aurora Celeste 2 years ago
Your message was an awful excuse for a
"report" if that is what you intended it to be. However, if
that is what you want, I can do it for you. Please note that, contrary to
the President's "report", I did not start this post. I was only
involved in trying to manage the numerous inaccuracies in the initial post in
as neutral a manner as I could based on the facts as
I had seen myself. This was done as a member of the ICG, prior to being
asked on the PR committee to help out.
I'm only on the PR committee because I started
the ICG facebook page, not because I ever intended to
manage things like this as more than an individual. Also contrary to the
"report" the poster, Lisa Hertel, comments that she is NOT a member
of the ICG. Perhaps that is false, I don't know, I don't have access to
any membership lists from November. But she posted believing she was not
a member.
These postings were made on the JoF closed group on facebook.
It is a group for conrunners, mostly centered around WorldCon
although it tries to branch out where it can. Lisa is known for posting
barely-relevant posts that are maybe commented on a bit and mostly noted or
ignored.
Rather than posting a summary that is biased
and incomplete as was done before, I've attached 31 screenshots of the entire
conversation taken for me by a moderator so there are no "hidden"
comments or whatever the accusation was.
After the bombardment of comments
"correcting" anyone who said anything contrary to her point of view I
did block the President and Jacalyn Boggs on facebook
because I was afraid I would reread their comments and start a campaign of
fact-correcting myself. Having them already come in and try to comment
down anyone who disagreed with them was not a good look for our organization,
and I chose to disengage rather than participate in making us look worse.
I am also attaching the referenced personal
email and the attachment I refer to in that email so people can see it.
It was only forwarded to the Corresponding Secretary because I used "reply
all" on the email that was sent to me, and I did not want to be seen as
ignoring it.
Aurora Celeste 2 years ago
Aurora Celeste 2 years ago
Aurora Celeste 2 years ago
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Jacalyn Boggs 2 years ago
You blocked me and thought you would have to
fact correct me on a statement about Virginia? There ARE 8.5 million people in
Virginia. The Appalachian mountains run through the west side of the
state, the Chesapeake bay separates the mainland from the peninsula. This
isn't hard to confirm with a basic understanding of geography and the
ability to google "Population of Virginia" can verify these things.
There are numerous articles about the traffic
problems in the Northern Virginia region. My house is in Fredericksburg,
VA. I am 55 miles from Washington DC and the southern fringe of Northern
Virginia. I am 55 miles from Richmond, Virginia. These two regions
are vastly different. Meanwhile there is a tunnel to get across the bay
to Norfolk and the Williamsburg/Norfolk area has a lot of conventions.
That is 1.5-2 hours away IN GOOD TRAFFIC from Fredericksburg. Roanoke is
literally across a mountain on I64 and then down I81 between mountains.
My son lives in Buena Vista where his wife attends Southern Virginia University
and he owns an ice cream store. This is also easily verifiable
information. It takes me about 2.5 hours to get to his house, and it's
still another almost hour to get to Roanoke. I don't go near Richmond to even
do that.
There is absolutely no reason we could not
support a multitude of chapters in a state with four distinct regions for
conventions that are not exceptionally close to one another and has a
multi-faceted costuming approach between our historical things (Most famously
Jamestown, Williamsburg, and Fredericksburg) and our conventions, and a
population of 8.5 million people.
We had three new chapters that wanted to form.
This sort of attitude is exactly why they withdrew. Frankly, we could
have a couple dozen guild chapters in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I
would support as many chapters as wanted to form.
To be honest, the fact that we have not grown,
in 30 years, to have chapters dotting every state in this country as well as
across the globe is ridiculous. There is no state or country anywhere
that couldn't hold multiple chapters.
Also sent to the channel
Jacalyn Boggs 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but your statement just absolutely
baffles me. I know you recently moved to Virginia. You should know this.But it's OK. The problems of this Board being so
nasty is causing NOVA to leave. I'm not sure if the members are going to try to
find a new chapter when their dues run out, that's their business. I just
know there is little desire to remain. Meanwhile, the would-be three
chapters? There are some who would like to be ICG, but given this
horrible attitude that maybe they should just drive 5...6...7 hours because
"one chapter is enough" or being called fake members or someone's
specious claims that it's some sort of attempt at a coup? Yeah, I can't
blame them for questioning re-applying.
This is an attitude I recommend the ICG BOD
really consider heavily and decide if it's something you actually want to
continue with or not. I highly recommend inclusive environments, and
considering how many different chapters can actually benefit the ICG
tremendously. Cosplay is huge. Cosplay is here to stay.
We should be excited about this.
Aurora Celeste 2 years ago
I blocked you because I don't want to see your
comments on facebook anymore. Is it now BoD policy to regulate the facebook
friending of ICG members? I don't know how many times I can state it, but
I DON'T WANT TO ASSOCIATE WITH YOU OUTSIDE ICG BUSINESS shouldn't be up for
debate. Stop inventing conspiracy theories you think I'm involved in,
stop inventing attitudes you can pretend I have so you can attack me, and leave
me alone.
Jacalyn Boggs 2 years ago
You saw ONE comment from me, in something that
was minor and factual, and this is your response? You don't see this as extreme?Look, I don't care if someone I wasn't friends with
on Facebook wants to block me after I see ONE comment in a Facebook group from
them. You do you, hon. Just you know, be factual about it and don't
try to make it seem like there's some ongoing thing or something to people.
Aurora Celeste 2 years ago
I’ve read all your comments here. I’ve talked to you in person. If
you need to tell yourself it was all about one comment, and not a pattern of
behavior, go ahead.
kevin.p.roche 2 years ago
ENOUGH.
In Robert's Rule Terms: POINT OF ORDER.
Aurora, Jacalyn:
This argument is out of order in our business meeting.
Please stop.
Note: this is not a comment on who is correct,
who said what, or who is to blame. It just has no place in our BOD
meeting, which is what this channel is for.
Jacalyn Boggs 2 years ago
Thank you, Kevin. I appreciate it.
Mera Rose 1:58 PM
Motion 11-26-2019-1: motion that the BoD amend the
approved 2019 budget (Dec 31, 2018) to add $100 to the new line item
Legal and Business fees to pay for a membership in the MD Non-Profits organization.The motion was withdrawn during the BoD call last night with no objection.
Apologies
- I copied the wrong motion - the above motion is still on the floor. I’ll
update the correct one momentarily.
Motion
11-27-2019-1A Motion to amend the 2020 budget to include the $100 annual
membership fee to Maryland Nonprofits as a line item entitled “legal and
consulting services” in the general expenditures section.Discussion
period ends 12/12/2019 @10:44am, voting period ends December 30, 2019 @10:44am,
adjusted for holidays.
This
is the motion that was withdrawn and the budget was passed on the BoD call last night.
Jeanine
Swick 2:04
PM
To
the BoD reguarding the FinCom getting insurance quotes.
First
of all I have never been appointed as the chair of the group, nor do I want it.
The chair is Bruce MacDermott as listed on the ICG
website.
Secondly
Etienne was added to it here without his knowledge and is not interested in
serving. I think it may be the same situation with Dawn as nothing has been
heard from her.
We
will be working through direct email or another more user friendly platform
than this. At this time the committee stands as Bruce as chair, Elaine and
myself. If Dawn replies and is interested she will be added.
Jeanine
Swick, Treasurer
[1 reply Last reply 2019-12-09 2:08 PM]
Mera Rose 2 years ago
Thank you. It was sent to me as you, Bruce, and Elaine but you as
Chair. Certainly if Bruce is the chair, that’s fine. If
the committee doesn’t need any more members, then I’m fine with it continuing
with the 3 of you.
Mera Rose 2:15 PM
Motion 12-8-2019-1 Motion that the 2020 budget be amended to add a line item
not to exceed $500 for memberships in such professional/community
organizations as the board deems necessary for better execution of the ICG’s
chartered mission.This amendment to the 2020 budget
was offered and passed on the 12-8-2019 BoD call.
Mera Rose 4:30 PM
I’ve asked Andrew and Kevin to post the info on Google Groups to #open-discussion-communications so
that everyone can access and review it.
Elaine
Mami 7:12
PM
I
apologize for not making the conference call. I had a desk disaster
involving water and many bills. Details are not necessary, but I may make a
costume, that I assume would be a reproduction.
[3 replies Last reply 2019-12-10 9:27 AM]
Mera Rose 2 years ago
No worries! Having been there with coffee, multiple types of
paperwork, and cats, I can sympathize... Never would have
thought to make a costume out of it though!
The recording of the call is in the #12-8-2019bodcall channel. There
is a new motion in the polls channel about moving communications to Google
Groups or Groups.io because YahooGroups is
apparently losing most of its functionality by the end of the week. Kevin
and Andrew are going to post some info on Google Groups soon in the #open-discussion-communications channel
so that there is information to consider there. I’m working on
transcribing the call also. There will be a summary with the
transcription available soon.
Oh, and the BoD did
get the budget passed and got an amendment done for funding for memberships to
cover joining Maryland Nonprofits and whatever other orgs might help with ICG
needs. Super brief highlights wrap up.
Mera Rose 2 years ago
Oh, and that poll is in the #polls channel
kevin.p.roche 2 years ago
Minor clarification (I’m dealing with this in several nonprofits): yahoogroups is being reduced to just an
email list service, with no web interface or files functions, and any existing
uploaded image/file content will be deleted when the change takes place.
